[Your Mind's Eye]Your Mind's EYE on HP? (How do you see HP)

[grandpalovegood]

Well I would have said topic or headlines of the day.. but... I wish we all I could be here to do that for us... so.... this name will have to do.

I've been thinking about a new thread. Something that would get us back into a deep, more serious Harry Potter discussion. Somewhat like what we did back in the old days. It just now occured to me what I could do. I will post a topic, word or name, then give the floor to you all. Sound familiar? But not really the same.

This is simple but on your parts all of those that respond will tell ANYTHING they think, feel, like or dislike etc... about the subject at hand. What's in YOUR mind's eye on this or that?

I'll also make sure that one discussion would be comletely discussed before I change the topic to the next thing that comes to my mind.

All else I ask is that if we have different opinions that we remember to be kind.... even to the characters and JKR and to each other. This really is meant to be a Harry Potter discussion nothing more. I do reserve the sole right to delete anything I deem argumentitive or too cruel, even if I end up posting MY thoughts and later see I might have crossed my own lines. Oh just shoot me in the head with a meatball. I know sometimes I get too opinionated when I get to talking too seriously about Potter/jkr etc. ;D

Lets go!

[grandpalovegood]

In YOUR mind's eye...... Tell me your thoughts on.....
Harry Potter the person

[rin68nyr]

Well...I like Harry. Through all of his difficult childhood, he is still a nice, caring, empathetic kid. I like that he goes through times of being a normal adolescent with all of their faults. He's not perfect, he's human. He has a lot of courage, and he always knows and chooses what is right...and of course, he beats Voldemort!

You all got the condenced version!

Erin

[Duddahs]

Ah, Now you have hit upon it Miss Charlotte,

In so many ways, I am Harry Potter. No kidding. I have always kind of seen myself in that role I guess.

[grandpalovegood]

Wow.... ok...

For me, he was not the top character on my list for the longest. I think the time he was snapping at everyone, who was nice to him, at the beginning of OOTP, just got to me.. but I have softened towards him since then.. I guess after I finished reading DH for the first time is when my opinion of him changed.

He, for me, stood his ground and never gave in to peer pressure. I like that..

He stood up to everyone no matter who they were or how young he was when it came to his beliefs.

Then he had this inner strength to push forward no matter how bleak things looked for his immediate or distant future.

He always tried to choose the right... fought for it even when he was alone.

He definitely had inner courage not just strength.

He was smart and seemed to have good instincts when it came to what to do in a fight. He called it luck but I really don't think so.

He was always humble.. my mind goes back to when the DA was forming... and just met at the Hogs Head. He really never thought about all he had already accomplished he always thought of himself as a normal kid but in a bad situation. In fact he was exceptional.

I'm glad he got together with Ginny because I liked her so much from the very beginning.

I'm also glad that he survived the whole story I thought JKR was going to have him die.

I also liked that he didn't end up becoming a murderer like I suspected he'd have to be (in my theory before DH.)

Go Harry...


Now I'll leave the floor open for a bit longer while I think of who/what next to ask about.

[fangsfan1]

I love Harry. A lot of my favorite characters were the adults-I think because I'm older myself and identified with them. But I think that with such a large cast of varied characters, Harry holds his own in the lead.
Some of the things I liked about him-
His courage in every circumstance-real courage where even though he was frightened he still tried to do the right thing.
His willingness to sacrfice himself for his friends.
His love of family and the fact that his parents were alwasys to important to him.
HIs sense of humor.
His willingness to stand up to people like Draco and Scrimgeour.
His loyalty to people like Luna and Neville, who he valued as friends even though they weren't the most popular kids in school.
I could probably come up with even more but you get the idea!

[grandpalovegood]

Let me guess... Fangsfan, were your ears burning? ;D

OK... so next subject...

Hey... I got it!

In YOUR mind's eye......
What is your favorite wizard-way to travel and why?


ps... if anyone still wishes to comment on any previous question I have mentioned... the floor is still open for that as well.

[fangsfan1]

Let me guess... Fangsfan, were your ears burning?

Miss C, you are a sweetheart-I know you knew I'd love this thread!

For travel I'd probably pick apparation. I'm claustrophobic so some of the things like floo powder I don't think I'd like. I often think in my daily life when I'm in a hurry to get somewhere how wonderful it would be to be able to just apparate. and be there. It would save so much time. And if I have to walk somewhere in the winter and it's icy, oh how I'd love apparation then! I'll bet at least once I week I think about apparating.
There is one other thing I did think about. Thinking about Arthur and his enchanting the car to fly-do you think he could do that with anything? Imagine traveling in your most comfortable chair, flying through the air. On my porch we have this old blue sofa. Everyone loves it-I sit out there with my dog, my sister sits there, the neighbors and their kids will come over and sit and visit, my aunt and her dog sit there. It would be so much fun to have Arthur enchant that sofa so we could all travel in it. Just one problem I can see with it-parking!

[grandpalovegood]

*Snickers* Yep... I had a sneaking suspicion that you would. (I have another up my sleeve but I will wait to post it for another day. )

Hey Have you ever heard of the movie called Bedknobs and Broomsticks? It has Angela Landsbury (sp?) in it. Made quite a ways back but I still love it. It is what came to mind when you mentioned your blue couch... cept they fly on a bed by turning the bedknob then ZOOM.... Off they go!

[rin68nyr]

Well, flying on a broom sound like a lot of fun...but not great for long distances, or yucky weather...so I'd have to say I'd do that one for fun,. Floo powder sounds great, but it's limited...you can only go places connected to the network. So, for actually travelling to go somewhere, I'd take apparition. You can go anywhere instantly. Wouldn't it be great to just grab my kids' hands, and arrove at Grandma's and Grandpa's without having to deal with a long car ride, buckled into seats, and possibly slowed down by traffic and/or weather....and pitstops?!

Apparition for me!
Erin

Ooh..forgot portkey...but those seem to need to be arranged through the ministry...so still...appartition!

[Duddahs]

Hmmmm, I think I would perfer to fly via flying car, convertible please.

[grandpalovegood]

What is this? My mind seems to be recalling old films... Anyone hear of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang?


Ok... shoot all of the meatballs you want.. I know I deserve that.

*winces awaiting a downfall from all of you.*

[Duddahs]

Oh I loved Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang as a book but the movie really left a lot to be desired.

[grandpalovegood]

I had no idea it was ever a book in the first place.

Last night I went to take my daughter to go get something at someone's house... then it was so nice out there and we kept forgetting something having to go back. Ugh! But the riding around was so much fun. The moon made the puffy night clouds look so beautiful. We decided to make an evening of it. So we went to Heber Springs to look at the lake. It's over an hours drive one way. Problem was it was so dark out there we could not see the lake from where we were. The parks gate was closed just before we arrived there. Then I was fighting to keep my eyes open. Boy I could have used a flying rocket booster at that point just to get home. The skies DID look an awful lot like those in COS movie when they arrived at Hogwarts.


Hmm.... I'll post another question or thought to ask about later on today.

[grandpalovegood]

OK here we go... This is something I meant to post the other day..

In YOUR minds eye....
Voldemort's transformation which occured with each Horcrux he made caused him to resemble or have snake like features. I've always wondered why JKR did this to him.

Tell me your thoughts on any other person creating multiple Horcrux?

Also about the heirs of the other houses? If they too still had an heir at this time of the story.. Surly they would not have features like their mascots had they created multiple Horcrux.

What do you guys think?

[fangsfan1]

I wonder if JKR made him snake like because the snake is a symbol of the devil in the Bible.
Maybe anyone who made horcruxes repeatedly would look like Voldemort? It seems to me JKR was trying to show how evil changes a person-contrasting the original handsome Tom Riddle to the way LV looked at the end.

[rallem]

I think J.K. Rowling was somewhat vague on the whole killing aspect of the story. I know that many people like to quote the sixth commandment and say "Thou shalt not kill," but people either do not understand what that means or make up their own understanding.

I think murdering a human does damage the soul. In J.K. Rowling's world a witch or wizard who then splits that soul and places it inside an object can receive certain benefits, but at a cost. The cost is the person loses some of their humanity and appearances of humanity. I believe J.K. Rowling mentioned in Half Blood Prince that Tom's appearance had changed slightly through his career at Borgin & Burkes as he gathered up the needed objects to create his Horcruxes.

I am not certain if everyone would begin to look like a serpent though. Actually I have a theory that Rufus Scrimgeour may have also dabbled in the art of making several Horcruxes and that he started looking like a lion. Why would Scrimgeour experiment with Horcruxes, and why would he begin looking like a lion? I think Voldemort looked like a serpent because of his Slytherin heart and I think for that same reason Scrimgeour looked like a lion. That begs the question why would someone with the heart of a Gryffindor experiment with Horcruxes? We know that Rufus was an Auror who battled dark wizards and witches. It is my theory that Rufus may have recognized what Voldemort was doing long before Dumbledore and may have experimented with Horcruxes to confirm his theories. This actually brings about all sorts of other questions like if Rufus made Horcruxes then is he really dead. I’m not so eager to go there without at least some official word that more Harry Potter source material is coming, but who knows. Maybe Scrimgeour is not really dead and will come back, or maybe he made the experiment and continued to see how difficult it would be to destroy the Horcruxes. (Just some possible directions that story could go)

What leads me to believe what J.K. Rowling meant it is wrong to murder rather than it is wrong to kill is that she had Molly kill Bellatrix Lestrange in a duel. Now granted it isn't like Molly then took a part of her soul and put it in an object, so if there was a split in her soul it should heal over time, but I get the sense that there was no split in Molly's soul since it was not murder.



edited by grandpalovegood.
Sorry Rallem.. your post is perfect even without the bible quote. You are right.. there IS a huge difference between murder and killing.

[grandpalovegood]

Feb 22, 2011 6:40:24 GMT -6 rallem said:

I think J.K. Rowling was somewhat vague on the whole killing aspect of the story. I know that many people like to quote the sixth commandment and say "Thou shalt not kill," but people either do not understand what that means or make up their own understanding.

I think murdering a human does damage the soul. In J.K. Rowling's world a witch or wizard who then splits that soul and places it inside an object can receive certain benefits, but at a cost. The cost is the person loses some of their humanity and appearances of humanity.

See you are touching on something I posted once before over at the WB Quibbler.... I think I mentioned or asked something to the effect about others who kill. Right off hand I don't remember what others responce was to that question.. but I do know what I wondered.. I mean if EVERY person who killed someone.. would their soul be damaged? THink of Draco when he was going to attempt to kill Dumbledore.. Dumbledore didn't want his death to cause a boy, even Draco's, soul to be damaged. Severus already killed before so his soul was already damaged.

I agree... ALL killing will damage a person.. But I don't believe it's just "Murder." I've heard of people who might have been drinking and driving and caused an accident... thus killing someone without meaning to.. It's negligent homicide and yes they are guilty.. Still, many times that person who really feels remorse about causing such death, will FEEL the damage. Now here we go again... JKR had it stated that ONLY if Voldemort were to feel remorse will he be able to undo this damage. or something to that effect.

I believe J.K. Rowling mentioned in Half Blood Prince that Tom's appearance had changed slightly through his career at Borgin & Burkes as he gathered up the needed objects to create his Horcruxes.

Yes she showed us this in book six. My favorite parts were the dips into the pensive.

I am not certain if everyone would begin to look like a serpent though.

Ah... THIS was my question this time.

Actually I have a theory that Rufus Scrimgeour may have also dabbled in the art of making several Horcruxes and that he started looking like a lion.

I too caught the description she gave him... Too lionlike and I wondered if she would have something come of it. But still, he died and that was that. Then we know that Voldemort was the ONLY wizard who ever created more than one Horcrux... thus the quote.. doing more than any wizard to become immortal... Ok.. not a quote, but the books did say something like it. ;D

Why would Scrimgeour experiment with Horcruxes, and why would he begin looking like a lion? I think Voldemort looked like a serpent because of his Slytherin heart and I think for that same reason Scrimgeour looked like a lion. That begs the question why would someone with the heart of a Gryffindor experiment with Horcruxes?

I see where you are going on this... but really, arent all wizards related? I've often wondered if any of the other houses ever had decendants who married the heirs to the other house?

Not to mention part of what I was asking THIS time... would ALL people revert back into some sort of animal no matter where they lived in the world? Of course IF they too made several Horcrux?

We know that Rufus was an Auror who battled dark wizards and witches. It is my theory that Rufus may have recognized what Voldemort was doing long before Dumbledore and may have experimented with Horcruxes to confirm his theories. This actually brings about all sorts of other questions like if Rufus made Horcruxes then is he really dead.

Yes, I believe so.. He was driven and wanted to succeed at his job. He was just killed before he really could make his mark.

I’m not so eager to go there without at least some official word that more Harry Potter source material is coming, but who knows. Maybe Scrimgeour is not really dead and will come back, or maybe he made the experiment and continued to see how difficult it would be to destroy the Horcruxes. (Just some possible directions that story could go)

interesting

What leads me to believe what J.K. Rowling meant it is wrong to murder rather than it is wrong to kill is that she had Molly kill Bellatrix Lestrange in a duel. Now granted it isn't like Molly then took a part of her soul and put it in an object, so if there was a split in her soul it should heal over time, but I get the sense that there was no split in Molly's soul since it was not murder.

Really.. I guess I go back to the old saying, "When in war it's not so much murder, but killing." So this is so on both sides of the war. OK.. If my words are correct.. Wouldn't anyone Voldemort killed in his WAR against the supression of all wizards be considered killing?

(lets just say what I think someone needs to say. )

[rallem]

Feb 22, 2011 11:13:39 GMT -6 grandpalovegood said:

I agree... ALL killing will damage a person.. But I don't believe it's just "Murder." I've heard of people who might have been drinking and driving and caused an accident... thus killing someone without meaning to.. It's negligent homicide and yes they are guilty.. Still, many times that person who really feels remorse about causing such death, will FEEL the damage. Now here we go again... JKR had it stated that ONLY if Voldemort were to feel remorse will he be able to undo this damage. or something to that effect.

I don't know where you live, but in Vermont I am certain drinking and driving and killing someone is considered murder, and geting caught drinking and driving is considered driving with intent to kill. We don't take drinkers and drivers lightly here.

Feb 22, 2011 11:13:39 GMT -6 grandpalovegood said:

Feb 22, 2011 6:40:24 GMT -6 rallem said:

I too caught the description she gave him... Too lionlike and I wondered if she would have something come of it. But still, he died and that was that. Then we know that Voldemort was the ONLY wizard who ever created more than one Horcrux... thus the quote.. doing more than any wizard to become immortal... Ok.. not a quote, but the books did say something like it. ;D

But you don't know that he just died and that is that. How long had it taken for any of Voldemort's horcruxes to work? But even if Scrigeour had simply died, that does not mean he didn't make more than one horcrux. As far as we know if Scrimgeour had made horcruxes it is entirely possible that he also destroyed them to ask and answer questions Dumbledore was still guessing at. Rufus wouldn't have been the first Wizard to beat Albus to the punch. Regulus did too. I have to go, but I will try to revisit this soon.

[grandpalovegood]

Feb 23, 2011 3:58:51 GMT -6 rallem said:

Feb 22, 2011 11:13:39 GMT -6 grandpalovegood said:

I agree... ALL killing will damage a person.. But I don't believe it's just "Murder." I've heard of people who might have been drinking and driving and caused an accident... thus killing someone without meaning to.. It's negligent homicide and yes they are guilty.. Still, many times that person who really feels remorse about causing such death, will FEEL the damage. Now here we go again... JKR had it stated that ONLY if Voldemort were to feel remorse will he be able to undo this damage. or something to that effect.

I don't know where you live, but in Vermont I am certain drinking and driving and killing someone is considered murder, and geting caught drinking and driving is considered driving with intent to kill. We don't take drinkers and drivers lightly here.['/quote]

;D Rallem.... Homicide IS murder... But this one was murder without intent.. A person being Negiligent in some way that caused the death... they still are held accountable. Negiligent Homicide is punishable by the offender spending many years in prison. I highly think that is lightly. I was speaking using a lawyers terms.

Feb 22, 2011 11:13:39 GMT -6 grandpalovegood said:

Feb 22, 2011 6:40:24 GMT -6 rallem said:

I too caught the description she gave him... Too lionlike and I wondered if she would have something come of it. But still, he died and that was that. Then we know that Voldemort was the ONLY wizard who ever created more than one Horcrux... thus the quote.. doing more than any wizard to become immortal... Ok.. not a quote, but the books did say something like it. ;D

But you don't know that he just died and that is that. How long had it taken for any of Voldemort's horcruxes to work?

Immediately. We know this because he didn't die permanently. I think you are getting the way a horcrux works mixed up a bit. Their intended purpose was to keep the main part of Voldemort's soul (the part in his body) from passing on. It's not like they each had a life of their own. Now the diary Horcrux was made differently than the rest. It was the only one Voldermort gave special powers to so it could come to life so to speak... all on it's own. But all of the rest of the Horcruxes could not.. They worked like anchors to keep the original part from dying. So when that spell that backfired when Voldemort met and tried to kill baby harry... each of the horcrux did their job to keep the main part of Voldemort's soul earthbound. That is all they could do.

[]But even if Scrigeour had simply died, that does not mean he didn't make more than one horcrux. As far as we know if Scrimgeour had made horcruxes it is entirely possible that he also destroyed them to ask and answer questions Dumbledore was still guessing at. Rufus wouldn't have been the first Wizard to beat Albus to the punch. Regulus did too. I have to go, but I will try to revisit this soon.

Yeah... because you definitely have me confused. Really, besides JKR having Scrigeour resemble a lion.. I see no other proof that he would have. He gave his life for the cause he worked for. HE seemed genuinely hurt that Harry did not believe him, nor want to help. It was as though he felt Harrry's judgement of him... so I figured by his death, he proved his word to Harry there in the end.

I'm not sure.. but didn't JKR use nearly the same reference when describing Professor Moody... aside from his scars of course.