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Post by rin68nyr on Apr 24, 2011 17:50:12 GMT -6
For some reason, I always thought it ran (at least partially) on existing "muggle" tracks...at least near London...but I never really thought about it...hmmm...no I don't think they can see the train...it would look totally different from a modern muggle train.
Erin
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Post by fangsfan1 on Apr 24, 2011 19:06:46 GMT -6
I agree, I always figured there would be some kind of a spell so they wouldn't be able to see it.
Re the houses, I never was sure which house I would be in. Then I started taking some of those quizzes and tried to answer them honestly. After three in a row came out Hufflepuff I decided that must be where I should be and I would wear it with pride!
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Post by Duddahs on Apr 26, 2011 10:03:25 GMT -6
It was stated in the book that Petunia had written a letter to Albus Dumbledore to try to get him to allow her to attend Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.
How do you believe that she did this without drawing attention to the fact that Dumbledore is a Wizard. Do you believe that Lily Evans had an Owl and Petunia borrowed it to send the letter to Dumbledore?
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Post by rin68nyr on Apr 26, 2011 18:23:21 GMT -6
Hmmm...good question...let me think about that while I put the kids to bed!
Erin
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Post by rin68nyr on Apr 26, 2011 19:16:27 GMT -6
I think she must have. Lily probably would have gone to Diagon Alley by then, and gotten her owl. I can't imagine any other way she could have sent anything to DD. Muggle mail wouldn't work, and only wizards (and witches) would be able to summons an owl (if they could just summons one without owning one...there's another question! lol). I can't think of any other way she could have sent anything to him.
Erin
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 27, 2011 1:05:33 GMT -6
It would be fun. It would be challenging, too. I've taken a few quizzes online for that, but soem of the questions are so obviously looking for bravery, or looking out for yourself, that you could make sure you got into whichever house you wanted to...it would be hard to ask questions that aren't quite so obvious... Erin Exactly! They are too obvious and so it would be easy to answer according to your choice of house you would rather be in in the long run... Those would be pointless. A really good questioare would be more psychological and less obvious to be true. That is why I didn't start out this site with one. Yet it could be a fun challenge for me to attempt in the future someday.  ........................................................... I agree, I always figured there would be some kind of a spell so they wouldn't be able to see it. Re the houses, I never was sure which house I would be in. Then I started taking some of those quizzes and tried to answer them honestly. After three in a row came out Hufflepuff I decided that must be where I should be and I would wear it with pride! One thing I like about the hat... once you put it upon your head it digs into the recesses of your mind. It knows all that is in there. It can see your character and your heart. I imagined it might also be able to see your memories of your past choices in life. This could help it to see where YOUR choices would fit most in for the four houses. I see a little bit of them all in you as well.. . aside from Slytherin. ........................................................... Really, I always wondered how a muggle could send a letter to Dumbledore. I too filled in that blank thinking Lily must have had an owl. For many reason's I see Lily and Hermione very much the same... NOT just because they both came from muggle families, but I see Lily just as smart... clever. I think they must have a lot more in common than that. Now, with that said... Would ALL muggleborn children have had an owl? We all know that Hermione recieved the Daily Prophet... maybe even the Quibbler during the summer break. I know these could have been sent via a delivery owl... the she didn't have to have an owl of her own to recieve the paper/magazine. Then for Hermione to respond to any letter she recieved from a friend.. Ron... Ginny... whomever. She could have used the owl that came with that friend's letter. Still, how could she have ever send any letters since she didn't have an owl of her own? I seem to recall her saying how Ron never writes. How could she have kept in touch with anyone during the summer then? I would imagine that ALL muggleborns would choose to purchase an owl of their very own... just to be kept in the loop. Are there other ways to send mail? Hagrid did send the letters to Harry via floo, and even put some in uncracked eggs. But that is recieving mail... not Harry sending it. I guess it must have been brilliant of Hagrid to have chosen an owl to give Harry for his birthday present instead of some strange creature from his class... or something dangerous which sounds more like what I would imagine he'd do on a normal day. |
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 27, 2011 1:18:57 GMT -6
I have always wondered if Muggles could see the Hogwarts Express as it sped northward to Scotland? Another of those unanswered questions... What do others think? Wow you guys... I love this. Twice in one week. Here we are being asked something of how we imagined things to be and I have always had something so different in my head to fill in the blank. I always imagined it was the take off from Platform 9 3/4 being hidden but just as Erin mentioned I always imagined it must have used old tracks. BUT I always imagine it being seen by muggles at some place in time.... most likely after it left London. Now, I did think of this question before, yet slightly different. I think of those muggles who live on the outside of the last town. I wondered it not so much about them seeing the train leave town but instead how they viewed a train track that leads into the wilderness. I wondered how they made sense of where it must have led. So now, after I have read the responces that have been made here... I wonder if Hogwarts was hidden from muggle view. Maybe it might have been one of those muggle things where JKR said muggles are not wanting to see magic so they choose not to see the things that should be a obvious give away that things are not logically adding up.  |
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 27, 2011 1:26:01 GMT -6
I think she must have. Lily probably would have gone to Diagon Alley by then, and gotten her owl. I can't imagine any other way she could have sent anything to DD. Muggle mail wouldn't work, and only wizards (and witches) would be able to summons an owl (if they could just summons one without owning one...there's another question! lol). I can't think of any other way she could have sent anything to him. Erin OH I am so glad you said this... You jogged a memory. I think JKR once mentioned that there are some wizards who work in the muggle mail system... that when they recieve a letter that was meant for a wizard they would tend to that duty. When I heard that, I imagined some guy who might have gone to Hogwarts but chose to live with their muggle wife... OR even a squib like Mrs. Figg. They could easily own their own owl and send those letters on to the person it was meant to in the wizarding world. |
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Post by rin68nyr on Apr 27, 2011 4:43:46 GMT -6
I forgot about wizards in the post office! Yes, she could definitely sent a letter to DD at Hogwarts that way! LOL Kind of like the aliens in "Men in Black!"
Erin
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Post by Duddahs on Apr 27, 2011 7:40:07 GMT -6
Since we all know that JKR made Godric Gryffindor, Helga Hufflepuff, Rowena Ravenclaw and Salizar Slytherin were all friends at one time and all four were the Greatest Witches and Wizards of their time.
Now my question goes back even further than the original founding four of Hogwarts.
Since we know it was at least a century prior to Harry Potters time that the Founding Four created and built Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, do you believe there had been other schools previous to this time? Were they all home schooled? Were they taught by community input?
How is it that four so diverse individuals came together in the first place and how would anyone be able to recognize them as the brightest of their time unless there was some sort of communication between the clans that were scattered across the British Isles?
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 27, 2011 9:15:33 GMT -6
I forgot about wizards in the post office! Yes, she could definitely sent a letter to DD at Hogwarts that way! LOL Kind of like the aliens in "Men in Black!" Erin ;D You should have seen me while I was typing that up earlier this morning.. I had that vision in my head where that guy was sorting mail from inside of the box. I almost refrenced that film in my post but then changed my mind. I'm glad I'm not the only one to see that same similarity. ;D |
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 27, 2011 11:14:07 GMT -6
Since we all know that JKR made Godric Gryffindor, Helga Hufflepuff, Rowena Ravenclaw and Salizar Slytherin were all friends at one time and all four were the Greatest Witches and Wizards of their time. I think it was mentioned that it was more like a thousand years or more... so far back and that it might have been the original wizard school ever. Older than any other. SO, I see the way a learned wizard got his training was more like Merlin... by someone else who had some experience before him.. .Then like Albus he'd take it the next step and try to further his own knowledge by way of practice... experimenting. Yes... homeschooled by those who had parents or families who too had magic. But I have often wondered if the reason families of wizards came be families... they had to have sought out others with magical abilities like they had. They all learned from each other.. of course when they mated they created a more magical child... eventually that must have leveled off. Still... I believe the school must have came to thought when these four witches and wizards met and compared their abilities and learned from each other... Then they must have talked much about those young ones with magical abilities. They had to have felt pity for those who didn't have their advantage and wanted to teach.. Who knows maybe a child was the catylist that pestered them to teach them.. OH now that would make an excellent fanfic... OK... back to my imagination... I imagine they might just have taught this student... Maybe others found their way to the four founders and so they decided their really is a need for a school and they were all up to teaching. What a reward and a gift that must have been for all? Wow! As for the school it's self... I think it was chosen to be placed right next to Hogsmeade. Hogsmead was very different than it is today in the books if you read the Fantastic Beasts book.. There is so much history in there. The Hoggs Head was of a prominence during ancient wars... or the tunnels below it.. OH goodness I need to reread that part again I might be messing the HH"s history up a bit. JKR answered this one. I 'm trying to remember how she put it... They were well known by their own rights. It was just a matter of time when they would come across each other during their travels. They would hear rumors about this witch or wizard who had done this or that... Who could resist searching out someone that could be your equal in magical ability? I have the show of Merlin in my mind this morning... This post reminds me that I might have missed the season finale. I'll go see if I can watch it online.  |
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Post by Duddahs on Apr 27, 2011 12:09:20 GMT -6
Ooopps I meant to write Millennium and not Century in my last post... I know what a Century is and I am pretty sure we all know that it was just a dumb typo. right?
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Post by grandpalovegood on May 1, 2011 2:28:33 GMT -6
Yeah... I figured so. Just call me a meany.  OK ... this post will not be complete.. but I wanted to start it real quick like before I have to go... I am hoping to note a thought process having to do with Ron... the camping trip... the wireless... the snatchers... I"ll come back when I get home and break my ideas down and edit THIS post in a few hours timee. I have so much I want to mention and add my thoughts. |
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Post by Duddahs on May 1, 2011 12:06:12 GMT -6
I have always wondered where exactly the Dursley were taken into hiding.
I am not sure if they could have handled being taken to any kind of wizarding place and if they had they probably would have been even more difficult to control and keep safe with all the death eaters infiltrating everywhere.
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Post by rin68nyr on May 1, 2011 14:17:43 GMT -6
THAT is a story I would LOVE to hear...write......hmmm...I'll have to think on that one! Looking forward to the end of the school year, when I can start to think about these things more easily!
Erin
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Post by grandpalovegood on May 1, 2011 17:38:28 GMT -6
Yeah... but that too is another thing that they changed in the film.. I too wondered why they changed what they did instead of putting it the way JKR had it originally.
On the issue of the Dursleys... Didn't you notice how in the film they CHOSE to leave on their own? (One of the themes JKR had encorperated into her story was to say our choices define us.) In the film Vernon said it was not safe anymore. He was eager to leave instead of fighting against the wizard element that was changing his life. It was the opposite in the book from the film. HE was reluctant to leave even skeptical that it might have been a hoax that Harry was only after the house.
I know they just wanted to cut that scene as short as they could with the dumb idea that the Dursley's part of the story really had nothing to add to the main story it's self.. that it was a side story. Still, they did show them leave. At least that was something. But they could have cut it short, but leave in the fact Vernon was reluctant. Why change the scene to show a very different disposition?
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Post by grandpalovegood on May 1, 2011 18:02:04 GMT -6
Yeah... I figured so. Just call me a meany. OK ... this post will not be complete.. but I wanted to start it real quick like before I have to go... I am hoping to note a thought process having to do with Ron... the camping trip... the wireless... the snatchers... I"ll come back when I get home and break my ideas down and edit THIS post in a few hours timee. I have so much I want to mention and add my thoughts. OK... Remember in the book when Ron left, how Hermione and Harry seemed to have hit rock bottom... With Ron leaving... deserting them in the manner that he did, it was like things could not get any worse. I remember when Ron returned that is when he also brought news as to what was going on in the rest of the world... he brought fresh new hope. In the film they had Ron mention he didn't go to his brother's house. Which I reminds me, I wonder how they will say they knew where Bill and Fleur lived when they start up the next film... Anyway, for me to see Ron return in the book, he brought in the wizarding wireless. They didn't have that before... no contact to know what was going on out in the world. That made them feel more isolated.. more alone. Remember what Luna told Harry about Voldemort wanting Harry to feel alone? Well, to me I was sad to see they left out Fred and Georges commentaries with Lee Jordan. That was something that was uplifting for them to hear.. those voices of loved ones... another sign of hope and news of home. Still, in part one they gave them the radio and never really gave the good part of the whole thing. One of my favorite parts of the camping trip... not that dance that never took place. That dance didn't fill the shoes that that radio show did to fill their hearts with hope. I will say, my other favorite part of the camping trip was the doe, sword and the killing of the locket horcrux. They did a superb job on that. They also never explained how they knew what a snatcher was to know that that was who those guys were in the woods... OR who caught them and took them to the Malfoy's. Ron told them all about snatchers and how he took that wand. Ok... I think I"m on a roll... what about Godric's Hollow... How could they NOT have Voldemort show up and have a duel of sorts with Harry? That again was a significant scene. Yes... a lot of changes but not informative nor as entertaining to how it should have been. I think they really took away some of the good parts with this move. Took away some of the deep meaning and did little to replace the depth those changes made. |
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Post by grandpalovegood on May 1, 2011 18:08:35 GMT -6
What did you guys think of how Harry went as Harry to the wedding instead of the Weasley's cousin?
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Post by Duddahs on May 2, 2011 10:26:35 GMT -6
It was obvious that there was no way that the producers had the time available to explain the Cousin Polyjuice appearance at the wedding. As a matter of fact, they barely made Elphus Doge or Aunt Marjorie part of the scene but they were there none the less.
I am more thankful for what we got and not worried as much about what we did not. I am really only slightly bugged to bejeabers about them cutting out the Dursley leaving scene as was written by JKR. That was by far more disturbing. Also the lack of the scene in the forest where they overhear Dean Thomas, Tonks and Griphook, but I guess too many side trips would have been time eaters and they did not have the Wormtail death scene due to it potentially causing an R rating for a Suicide.
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