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Post by Duddahs on Apr 19, 2011 10:19:17 GMT -6
We have all read the Harry Potter books or have watched the Harry Potter movies, so I thought this might be a nice actual DISCUSSION thread.
Here is what I hope this thread will be;
After having read the books, there have always been questions that seem not to have been fully answered or explained.
In the movies there have been scenes cut out or characters left out, leaving gaping holes in the stories plot lines.
Let's discuss what some of these unanswered questions, theories or scenes actually are, what they could potentially be and how they may have ultimately changed what we have become accustomed to the completed materials so far in the world of Harry Potter.
Here is my shot at the first discussion.
Since most Witches and Witches who grew up in England attended Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, I have always wondered what Houses other characters such as Cornelius Fudge or Rita Skeeter or Mr. Ollivander might have been part of while attending Hogwarts themselves...
What does everyone else think and who else can we all discuss about their House's that you might wish to know what other think their beginnings were?
For some reason, I think Mr. Ollivander might have come from Ravenclaw.
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Post by rin68nyr on Apr 19, 2011 10:29:21 GMT -6
LOl duddahs...before I got to the bottom, I thought of Ollivander as a Ravenclaw as well! As for Rita Skeeter...she's clever and will do whatever she needs to get what she wants....Slytherin.Cornelius fudge..well, don't see him as clever or brave, not particularly smart...I'd put him in Hufflepuff.
Erin
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Post by Duddahs on Apr 19, 2011 11:56:23 GMT -6
LOl duddahs...before I got to the bottom, I thought of Ollivander as a Ravenclaw as well! As for Rita Skeeter...she's clever and will do whatever she needs to get what she wants....Slytherin.Cornelius fudge..well, don't see him as clever or brave, not particularly smart...I'd put him in Hufflepuff. Erin The thing about Fudge is that he must have had a lot on the ball to have successfully become Minister of Magic. He was just so darned headstrong, not too unlike that of Ron or Seamus.. But then again, he could be much like Justin Flinch Fletchley too with how stubborn he could be as well as being paranoid. Then there is the Paranoia that the Slytherins seem to exhibit but I doubt highly he could have been a Slytherin but then again, his ties with Lucius Malfoy bring that into question. Hmmm difficult....... |
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Post by rin68nyr on Apr 19, 2011 14:00:11 GMT -6
The thing is..I see Fudge as having a heart...just not using his brain very well. i do think that Hufflepuffs have heart. But who knows? I'd love to hear what everyone thinks!
Erin
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Post by Duddahs on Apr 19, 2011 15:00:09 GMT -6
The thing is..I see Fudge as having a heart...just not using his brain very well. i do think that Hufflepuffs have heart. But who knows? I'd love to hear what everyone thinks! Erin I too can see where Fudge had a heart, he was so paranoid though that he often let his fears cloud his judgment such as going after Harry Potter and Albus Dumbledore personally. You might very well be right about his house. I am sure he was not from Slytherin as he would just have been far too sleazy in his bizarre dealings Harry. On another bizarre note, did anyone else detect a potentially Belgian or French Accent on the movie version of Barty Crouch Sr? Or was I imagining it all. And honestly, I believe that both Barty Crouch Sr and Jr were members of Slytherin house. How else could a father be so cruel to a son without regard for his own wife. Then to go along with the horrid way his own wife would ultimately have to die in Prison at Azkaban to just appease her dying wishes. That is just so bizarre and foreign to me that I could never fathom it. |
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 20, 2011 6:33:02 GMT -6
BOOKMARK I have SOOOO much to add to this thread. I'll comment when I get home in a bit.  |
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 20, 2011 8:43:03 GMT -6
OK.... back to where I was at...
Fudge.
I always and still do see him as a Slytherin. I mean, not only are there many refrences to green with him.... example his lime green bowler hat. But I see his cowardice, yet his overwhelming sense of need for power.... his ambition and to what lengths he went to not only get it but keep it. reminds me more of Slughorn.
Yeah, he might have had a sense of heart. I never really thought of that before until I read what you guys said.
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Post by Duddahs on Apr 20, 2011 16:16:38 GMT -6
Hmmmmm, now that could explain that Lime Green Bowler... That or color blindness!
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Post by fangsfan1 on Apr 20, 2011 22:06:46 GMT -6
I've always found it so interesting where the Sorting Hat places people and why he puts them there.
I agree that Ollivander should be in Ravenclaw, although I can see him in Gryffindor as well because he did have courage.
Fudge I see as being in Slytherin because he had such a thirst for power. The only thing I wondered-would the wizards be wary of electing a Slytherin as MOM since so many had previously been deatheaters?
Rita SKeeter-too smart for her own good. So maybe Ravenclaw.
What about Luna's father, would he be Ravenclaw as well?
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 21, 2011 3:50:53 GMT -6
See, that is one thing that never really made sense to me. I mean, why should what house they were in during their school years matter AFTER they leave school? Yet... it does. I think you made that comment somewhere around here about other schools around the world... did they too have houses for their schools? Did Krum belong to a house in his school? Fleur? Was Hogwarts a larger school so it HAD to separate it's students or was it only due to the fact there were four founders? There are so many questions. The only thing I can come up with is since they are separated by the hat so young in life, I guess it defined them.
As for 'would the people elect a minister who was a slytherin?' I don't see why not. He didn't seem to have any traits to lead them to believe he was a dark wizard. Even once they had a Hogwarts headmaster who was a Slytherin. I've wondered if Ron's comment about dark wizards were all in that house, might have been a preduce comment. That makes me wonder if Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff students believe that as well? We know there are dark wizards from those houses as well as Gryffindor house.
The other thing to think about... Fudge had many of the same tendancies as Slughorn. That ambition... For him, it was the drive to be minister of magic. Then for the cowardice, I saw that he was terrified to except the truth that Voldemort was back while he was in charge. I believe although he was embarrassed that he was asked by the people to step down when he was replaced by Scrimgeour, that in truth he might have been a bit releaved.
Oh I LOVED the idea that Ollivander had to be in Ravenclaw. It really does suit him. Rita I always thought had to be a Slytherin. She would do anything to get a story. But you are right.. it takes a smart person to do her job. She didn't go for the loony side of things.. just the story it's self. It does take a good eye to know where to look to find that unasked question that no one ever had the courage to ask before or even think about. She could have been a ravenclaw student. But the acid green quill, I saw was another connection to green and a slytherin. She seemed to know how to meet up with Draco and I've wondered how and why?
I too see Mr. Lovegood as being in Ravenclaw house. I guess it has so much to do with his obsession with the Diadem. Then even with him being a bit loony, I too think it takes a man with smart ideas to be able to create, write and edit a magazine of his own. Go Xeno!
Now here is something I've wondered about? Scrimgeour. What house might he have been placed? I really have a hard time on that one. I see courage, due to the fact he stepped in to attempt to clean up Fudge's mess. He did have a lion like description. I really wish he could have been given more time in the books... more time as minister. I do honestly believe he was doing his best, but at the same time not really knowing what to do to solve the Voldemort problem. But that would be a discussion that takes us away from what house... or the sorting hat.
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 21, 2011 4:14:26 GMT -6
The thing about Fudge is that he must have had a lot on the ball to have successfully become Minister of Magic. Ah or Slughorn like connections. I know he worked his way up the ministry... Still, it does not hurt to know somebody who can help you. Maybe a Malfoy of that day? Someone who saw Fudge as more of a puppet than a man who can get the job done. Remember Fudge really was not self assured that he could pull being minister off on his own? He used to send letters to Dumbledore for years to get his opinion on how he would handle things on each issue. Yes to me I do see courage to ask someone for help... one of whom you think could easily replace you if he wanted to. Other than that I can't see courage. I see all other actions he had done was self motivated. He only helped Harry when it served his purpose to make him look good as minister. He didn't have the courage to stand up to voldemort so when Dumbledore and Harry went down that road he panicked and told the public they were crazy. That served to make him look good and not like he didn't care about the public, but his own job. Everything he ever did was for himself. Ron or Seamus? Wow... I still say he is closer to Slughorn... I guess where you see headstrong in Fudge I see determination toward his ambition. A very slytherin trait. Are the Slytherins really paranoid? Wow, I'm really loving this conversation.  Just to let you know... I'm seeing this as a curious discussion. My argument might be from an opposing view... but not meant to be none other than friendly. Oh and the Crouch's I never thought about it before... but you guys have to be right on that one as well. His determination, drive for power... then what he sacrificed to keep his job. It was cold blooded, then later sad to see his remorse when he saw what he gave up for his ambition. |
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Post by rin68nyr on Apr 21, 2011 6:35:55 GMT -6
..and don't forget, often we see more than one house trait in people....for both Harry and Hermoine, the hat was deciding between 2 houses it saw as a good fit for each of them.
Erin
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Post by Duddahs on Apr 21, 2011 9:43:36 GMT -6
Miss Charlotte mentioned Rufus Scrimgeour. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that he was and is a Gryffindor, through and through.
I believe this is one of the big reasons that he took such exception to Albus Dumbledore leaving Harry Potter the Sword of Gryffindor. As he clearly stated, it would have come to any deserving Gryffindor and who else but a Gryffindor would truly believe this.
His courage in the fact of facts was just brilliant. He had to try to shake Hermione, Ron and Harry down for information. As he strongly feared, the Ministry of Magic itself had been infiltrated and could possibly fall. As the leader of the Wizarding World he showed courage in the face of danger, reason in the face of confusion and strength in-spite of others weakness.
Scrigeour is in my humble opinion one of the GREAT Gryffindors of all time!
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 21, 2011 11:27:44 GMT -6
..and don't forget, often we see more than one house trait in people....for both Harry and Hermoine, the hat was deciding between 2 houses it saw as a good fit for each of them. Erin Oh yes indeed. I mean last night I was thinking of YOU and wondered where the hat might choose to put you... THen as you once said... Hermione. That the hat might have a hard time choosing for you to be in either Ravenclaw OR Gryffindor. YOu know... I would love to figure out somehow to create a sorting hat thread of our very own here... A list of questions that would determine from YOUR choices where you all might be placed. I just never got around to creating one.. Oh and I would NOT make it an easy questionare either.  Still it would be fun. |
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 21, 2011 11:53:38 GMT -6
Miss Charlotte mentioned Rufus Scrimgeour. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that he was and is a Gryffindor, through and through. I believe this is one of the big reasons that he took such exception to Albus Dumbledore leaving Harry Potter the Sword of Gryffindor. As he clearly stated, it would have come to any deserving Gryffindor and who else but a Gryffindor would truly believe this. His courage in the fact of facts was just brilliant. He had to try to shake Hermione, Ron and Harry down for information. As he strongly feared, the Ministry of Magic itself had been infiltrated and could possibly fall. As the leader of the Wizarding World he showed courage in the face of danger, reason in the face of confusion and strength in-spite of others weakness. Scrigeour is in my humble opinion one of the GREAT Gryffindors of all time!  WOW! Here I honestly thought I was the only one who felt that strongly about this character. I too saw exactly what you did. Now we know the books portrayed him as following in Fudge's footsteps, I just could not see it quite in that same light. Yes, he wanted to use Harry to say all is well... that they were working together to fight the Dark Lord. But really what else would anyone else have done? I wonder really if Harry was blinded by his faith in that office being low. I completely understand Albus wanting to keep Harry away from Rufus too. I mean he and the ministry could not really help Harry openly look for and destroy Horcrux could he? So really they had to ALL take a back seat and allow Harry to do what he must. I think Rufus got the raw deal... No support from those who really could have made a difference.... Like the Order. I really think it was more like he tried his hardest BUT found out it was not as simple as he thought it would be. Facing facts that Voldemort was really out there was not enough. The security question was a good idea though. Then there was Rufus' death. He seemed saddened... hurt by Harry's words... what he felt about him before he left the Burrow that day. Then the next thing we hear he died defending everything he stood up for... believed in. He wanted to protect the people and did so until it took his life. I wonder if Harry ever found a new perspective when it came to Scrimgeour after that? I guess I could throw out a question for ALL of us to comment on.... What more could Rufus Scrimgeour have done to show support to Harry as well as help in the fight against the most powerful Dark Lord in a century?  |
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Post by Phoenix on Apr 21, 2011 21:45:16 GMT -6
I don't believe Scrimgeour could have done anything more; the Ministry was too far gone in the war for anything to have really mattered. Either way, the Ministry was going to fall to the Death Eaters eventually. And I think I read somewhere once that Rita Skeeter was in Hufflepuff....And I can see it, oddly enough.
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Post by rin68nyr on Apr 23, 2011 8:39:32 GMT -6
Thanks Miss C..I could see myself in either of those houses as well...even Hufflepuff. and though I would be flattered no matter where anyone thought I would go...I don't really see myself fitting in with Slytherin. LOL
Erin
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Post by grandpalovegood on Apr 23, 2011 18:00:00 GMT -6
Really, I honestly don't know where I would be placed by looking at myself. I know I always chose Slytherin, so owing to the fact that the Hat normally takes that into account... I guess that is where I would be place. So you see could see yourself in Hufflepuff too? Hmm? I wonder what sorts of questions I could come up with IF I did make a questionare of sorts for a sorting to be done here at the lounge? I'll have to think on it a bit. Still, this could be fun. |
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Post by rin68nyr on Apr 24, 2011 6:47:54 GMT -6
It would be fun. It would be challenging, too. I've taken a few quizzes online for that, but soem of the questions are so obviously looking for bravery, or looking out for yourself, that you could make sure you got into whichever house you wanted to...it would be hard to ask questions that aren't quite so obvious...
Erin
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Post by Duddahs on Apr 24, 2011 12:06:19 GMT -6
I have always wondered if Muggles could see the Hogwarts Express as it sped northward to Scotland? Another of those unanswered questions... What do others think?
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Just to let you know... I'm seeing this as a curious discussion. My argument might be from an opposing view... but not meant to be none other than friendly. 
Still it would be fun.
WOW! Here I honestly thought I was the only one who felt that strongly about this character. I too saw exactly what you did. Now we know the books portrayed him as following in Fudge's footsteps, I just could not see it quite in that same light. Yes, he wanted to use Harry to say all is well... that they were working together to fight the Dark Lord. But really what else would anyone else have done? I wonder really if Harry was blinded by his faith in that office being low. 
